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Absolutely. I think people should actively try to not assume a positive or a negative, but accept that they don't know if they don't.

I do think that is only to help with actual development. To make it faster.

I know.

wait a sec @SkyeNet you say don't assume it's your tulpa

‘always assume its your tulpa’ only means that you have to beleive in your tulpa in order to form the neuro pathways that make those responses actually from your tulpa

False positives have negative effects just as false negatives do.

but earlier somebody here said to do the opposite

What is the negative here, Winter?

The point is that the phrase is overinterpreted.

Imvasive thoughts are a thing and assuming those are yout tulpa when theyre negative isnt good

9:14 PM

Besides that i dont see the problem

"Assume everything is your tulpa" - the principle might be to be to believe in them and encourage them to respond, but yes. Eden has the idea.

Thats basically what i beleive @SkyeNet

I see.

The problem is that assuming all thoughts are one's tulpa increases false positives, and makes it difficult to identify whether the tulpa is speaking or not.

9:16 PM

Similarly, assuming no responses are the tulpa... well, that should go without saying.

9:16 PM

So - I encourage not assuming that they are or aren't, but accepting that you don't know unless there is a more certain case.

Idk if this is helpful but i used a hand twitch system for simple comunication- but we were able to do possession a lot earlier than talking. Eden was mute there for a while

The more time and experience, the better one will be able to tell the difference - which will solve the problem.

thumb is yes, pinky is no, middle is maybe

9:17 PM

Or im here

9:17 PM

Lots and lots of fourcing. Man i just cant find the time now that i have a job

That sounds much harder than just knowing the answer from a systemmate.

well I mean obviously a thought to kill myself isn't the tulpa...I would hope anyway

9:18 PM

but like for instance, that vague voice saying pain the AKM pink

9:18 PM

has to be

Dont put weight on negative thoughts, if you believe its someone else your brain will make it true

cause I sure wouldn't ever paint a gun pink

...I don't recommend possession before having some means of communicating for the sake of caution, but if you can set up a simple system while being careful to avoid false positives, wonderful.

️ raises hand as evidence

9:19 PM

Oh yeah thats probubly not a good idea thats just how i did things, and if you have that recource at hand it could make things easier

I would be more likely to doubt my hand moving, I do think.

To be fair both Eden and AR are maybe traumagenic and existed once before i started tulpamancy

Alright.

9:20 PM

I am confused. Your name is Eden.

9:20 PM

Are you Eden?

Sorry i didnt change it. This is Kyle speaking.

9:20 PM

Eden is my Tulpa

Alright.

I definitely don't recommend trying to make a tulpa out of all the random thoughts in your head.

Unlike y'all, I actually payed attention to the spade :P

Yeah id feed them traits

9:23 PM

Give them positive attention

9:23 PM

️ you get what you pay for

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9:23 PM

️ looks at AR

1

9:24 PM

️ whaaaaatt???

1

Do keep in mind that the brain is... finite. Particularly the capability to keep multiple active 'simultaneously' (or what passes for simultaneity).

️ I am much better now! I am a positive influence! ;)

Please don't respond to yourself with the same account without a specific point for somebody else.

️ is that a rule or something?

yup (edited)

I hope it is. (edited)

no intra-system posts

9:25 PM

pretty sure that was thing

9:26 PM

maybe that's a different server lol

️ okay. Not responding to, “myself” because that wasnt me. But whatever I get your point and Kyle wants me to stop being hostile.

If it is not, I want it to be ASAP.

Generally speaking, it tends to be somewhat rude to others to have a conversation between yourselves publicly when nobody else present is involved.

yup

Beyond that, it tends to be spammy.

9:26 PM

But, put simply - there is literally no reason to have an internal conversation public unless it concerns other people.

I think it's ok to prove a point but just having tulpa/host conversations is excessive

9:27 PM

[I agree]

Right.

9:27 PM

In any case - yes. The brain does have a limit, and even aside from the parallel processing discussion, multiple tulpas simultaneously active does significantly reduce the amount of capability everyone active has, so there is a limit.

️

Im not sure how we can all participate in a conversation without having some overlap.

If it concerns other people, then there isn't a problem - if it doesn't concern other people, why post it in the public chat?

9:28 PM

That is the basic idea.

like for instance here

O 1-1 + [Ikari] - Today at 4:27 PM
I think it's ok to prove a point but just having tulpa/host conversations is excessive
[I agree]

I posted Ikari's response to prove my point that multiple people agreed with me. but if I just went

Hey Ikari
[yeah]
should we do this spammy shit?
[probably not]

It would get old very fast

Yes.

9:31 PM

I do think it would also make the community look silly to new people, very quickly.

That is another side effect, yes.

9:32 PM

In any case - further discussion of rules should be in #server-discussion.

Alright.

Anyone ever fall asleep while trying to force? Serious question.

yes

10:56 PM

it's a serious problem and I have to really focus to not

10:56 PM

I actually entered a sort of lucid dream type state the other day cause my body fell asleep :P

Just happened to me

My host used to.

It's just so... peaceful

I can relate

10:58 PM

Even tho mine doesnt exist yet

plenty of times

And lucid dreaming for me is kinda random, I never can control when I do it, I just do sometimes

When you relax and aren't focusing on much, you can fall asleep.

And It's just hard for me bc when I'm not moving around or actively doing something, my body just tries to sleep

Exactly.

At least I have some things to work on, lol

Focusing on a tulpa isn't engaging with something requiring direct mental engagement with the outside world, and thus it tends to allow sleep somewhat better than if you were, say, interacting with a game.

Maybe I should try reading/ doing stuff with her so its easier to focus

I get your point and ill try and fallow the rules. I feel as if the way in wich you astaish your rules however has consistsntly been pretty harsh. Or at the very least has mad everyone in my system feel isolated and unaccepted. I feel as if whenever we express ourself we are hit with a wall and pushed away. Eden is pretty sensitive, and i thought it was just that but honestly i feel we have been treated with insensitivity.

Can you give an example?

We really haven't asked that much. Change your tag, thats's all

I think it was the "

️ looks at AR

️ whaaaaatt???" that was the problem. That doesn't add anything or help anyone, it's just irrelevant internal conversation.

11:22 PM

I don't think anyone has an issue with other people chiming in.

this too^

I mean in general

@SkyeNet What channel should this be moved to?

I can't really think of anything we've said that's been unreasonable